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In a message dated 8/15/98 4:11:20 PM, you wrote: <<I wish someone could tell me I'm mistaken. Is there something truly interesting out there? >> Yes, I think so (or maybe I'm just easily impressed/amused :) ). Check out Eric Wengers' audio synth (sampler, wave shaper, procedural synth etc.) program "Metasynth" and his newly released midi sequencer (that can exchange files with Metasynth) "Xx". Downloadable demos/soundfiles etc. can be found at <<http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES_ALT/acceuil_meta.html>> There's a Metasynth "Music Gallery" at: <<http://www.metasynth.com/METASYNTH/MUSIC/Musicgallery.html>> Right now Metasynth is basically a compositional tool (although I have used it by 'Vortexturizing" loops composed in Metasynth that serve as "soundscapes" for improv.- Warr¨/Stick¨/Loops). I recently talked to an Arboretum software rep. about whether or not Metasynth would ever become a real time instrument with the ability to "paint" pre/post curser on each loop pass and also be able to trigger fade/hold of previously "painted" passes (ala: Lex. J'man etc.). He hinted that this was one the things that (I sent Eric Wenger a similar query but haven't heard back yet) was being worked on. At any rate check it out I think it's "interesting" - Paul