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Steve writes: << I've used delays, distortions, compressors, vocoders etc, but at the end of the day you can still recognise the sound as that of a guitar. I'm after something really whacky, and I was after some hints. >> I'm sure lots of people will have ideas about this, but here are some of my ideas for guitar wierdness: 1: Get an EBow, and a slide. 2: Turn the mix on your effects all the way to wet--no direct guitar signal. 3: Consider running your rig through a mixer, so you can feed effects back into themselves (especially useful for mod effects). 4: Chain effects--several distortions in a row will give you certain "results". 5: Wah pedals are good for bringing out certain freq. ranges. Put distortion pre-wah and see what happens. 6: Never underestimate the power of feedback. 7: If you don't want it to sound like a guitar, don't play it like a guitar. (huh?) 8: Consider preparing the guitar in various ways--alligator clips on strings, objects inserted at harmonic nodes, etc. Hope this gives you some ideas. My main suggestion is just to spend some time experimenting (that is, if you aren't trying to get something specific). Happy tweaking, Drew