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oh, what the hell, my $.02.... - NAMANAX - "Audiotronic" and "Monstrous" - if you can hang on through the noise content, you will find some interesting drifting loops and sub-bass rumblings, courtesy of Relapse records co-founder B. Yurkiewicz and guitar- guru/producer James Plotkin.... - LULL - "Moments" - of course, if you just want the sub-bass loops without the noise, here it is, courtesy of PAINKILLER/SCORN mastermind Mick Harris.... - Chris Farmer - "Getting Warm on the Trail of Heat*" - might be hard to find, but some really freaky lo-fi beat loopage and experimentation from this Richmond, VA. local takes some very interesting turns.... first three available from Relapse - po box 251 - Millersville, PA 17551. The last one might be hard to find - if anyone wants a dub of it, let me know and I'll see what I can do (and in fact, the liner notes had a line about the absence of copyright and to dub for anyone who wants one, so we don't have to go into the copyright roundabout again...) * - and if anyone knows where the title reference comes from, please fill my dumb ass in. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com