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Howdy . . . There have been two or three attempts to begin threads which received no list replies. I did get some offline comments, but would have liked to see more of the group's opinions... I'll give it one more try. I'm with Miko on this one . . . I think that one of the cool things about this list is that there is a lot of potential for discussion of creative process issues - - there are a of of creative people here . . . but seemingly gear seems to be more exciting than music? Hopefully, I'm mistaken and it's just that people find it difficult to discuss this sort of thing: more of the doers than the theoriticians. > It seems that *most* of us improvise... some completely, other's not >quite > so > much... How do we create meaninful work of this nature which will endure > and > still retain that free spirit? > For me, I guess it's the same kind of process (though slightly different aspects of it) as writing. A lot of it comes down to accepting what one likes, yet being able to have a somewhat objective perception as to what works, what doesn't and what I'd like to change. In other words, examination and reexamination of strategies and vocabularies. Often I try to approach different situations with different mindsets. Some bands/situtations get the full McGilla (effects/loopers, etc.), some get a different set of parameters (say bass and amp only). I take this strategy from Stravinsky's idea of "freedom being in small box" . . . which I interpret as finding more freedom in a finite set of variables than one one does from "complete freedom," where there are "no" parameters. I tend to like composers that use finite rules for certain pieces (Stravinsky as noted, Webern, etc.) so I try to bring a little bit of this sensibility to the table during some of the improv situations that I get involver in. Some might say that this sort of thing verges on NOT BEING free improv. Also, of course, there are many improvisors who take the exact opposite tact: I feel that Miles Davis always sounded about the same, it was his choice of contexts that changed.