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Hey guys, If some people dig this free improv stuff that's cool by me. I like the free improv. = free entrance fee idea since it would encourage more people to investigate this stuff and if they didn't like it they wouldn't feel too put out. When I mean't good and bad I was thinking from the pov of composing music by accepting/rejecting notes/phrases/textures etc. This filtering process to me is the job of a composer. You could broaden it out to accepting/rejecting musical processes but I still think a clever idea is not enough. The sound is the thing Oh and Stig, "Oh yeah Gareth . . . most people probably don't want to hear it" I think you got your wires crossed here. I certainly don't judge music by its popularity. I haven't seen Titanic either does that make me cool ;) Good to meet another Greenaway fan :) Gareth