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You guys may already know about this, but have you ever checked out a Zendrum (http://www.zendrum.com). They seem to have a couple models to span several prices ranges. I've seen them used live twice, Billy Cobham and Vinx (Jungle Funk). If I had extra $$$ right now, I think I would get one just to check it out. -----Original Message----- From: evening [mailto:evening@ulster.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 5:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Starr labs - Z Tar midi controller >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:15:52 -0800 >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" <jbiz@linkexchange.com> > >I just bought a mini-Z fro Ztar systems. It's a mid controller set up like a >touch style instrument. > <snip> >I don't know if I can recomend them yet (I have yet to see mine) but I >have >talked to a number of satisified customers. If anyone is interested, I'll >dig up the web address. Their site has lots of pretty pictures for the >curious. I had Harvey Starr build me a handhelp percussion controller about 3 years ago. here's my experience: bad - I paid $900 up front & waited 15 months before I rec'd anything. It took numerous phone calls and during one of them he said "I've received death threats from people who've been waiting too long for their Z-Tars." This didn't make me very comfortable. The Z-Bar was pretty much unplayable from an ergonomic standpoint I sent it back & got a refund. good - His software kick ass - very, very flexible. He did send me a demo low-end Z-Tar to play with while I was waiting - which a friend eventually bought from him. In summary - Harvey is basically a nice guy & his Z-Tar * software are excellent but make sure you get a date from him as to when your gear will be built or better yet buy what's in stock. - the 30 day return is a nice policy. jmw