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I really dig the Ensoniq effects boxes - I've got 2 DP4's & one DP Pro....awesome units The loop time IS short... but can be put to good effect especially when using the speed parameter - but there is no speed parameter on the DP4 looping algorhythm. Does anyone know if the DP4+ has the speed parameter for the looping delay? Also, I really wish that the regeneration/feedback was infinite, having the loops degrade over time is sometimes interesting but not always... I recently considered getting a Paris system just to use the FX - 8 stereo/16 mono DP Pro quality algorhythms but at $2500 and with no loopers, distortion or wacky FX (just verbs, echoes & the like) it just wouldn't be worth it for me... jmw