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> How many bass players are there out there kicking out the dope loops, > yo? I have been doing this for a while. I use Alembic preamps, Lexicon LXP 1 and LXP 5 and Jamman with an MRC (I used to wire an external control right into my bass so I could control pitch shifts and reverb times right off the bass, but my special multi pin cable kept going south right before crucial gigs.) Digitech distortion, a Mutron III, Bassballs, Tubescreamer, Digitech Whammy II and a Morley Wah/Vol (One of the old huge chrome jobs). It all runs in stereo and I use an Ibanez EPP400 patch controller for the analog FX so I can change order and what effects are on. Needless to say, the bass can very quickly assume other characteristics, especially when played with various props. Another bassist that I have jammed with who does this kind of thing is Stacey Starkweather of Burlington VT. He is well worth checking out on all levels. We have a duet we call Bak-O-Bass that reaches all kinds of outer realms. Most folks who hear it have no idea that it is bass. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin