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>> > You've got that one right. The only parts of the US that you can get good >> > avant-garde music is NYC. >> > Please allow me to rephrase that, i think i meant that it is one of the biggest known places for avant-garde music. John Zorn, E#, David Torn, John Cage, David Tudor, Morton Feldman, Ornette Coleman, those are a bunch of those who we speak of when talking about weird musics. So i guided my gaze to NY when i thought of that. I do know that SF is pretty good also. But normally when people think of avant-guarde music (the other people that really arent part of it) they generally think of NYC. I hope that can clear up a bit of our discussion. Thank you all for your time. Jeff Collins A Strange View of Music http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html