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> im trying to find some artist that are doing out there jazz, preferably >on the > really intense/experimental side. > with or without looping really > > any recommendations? Oh my... These artists are all over the place! I don't even know where to begin, other than to quickly jot down some names: George Lewis (the trombone/computer guy, not the clarinetist) Anthony Braxton John Zorn (and practically anything on his various labels such as Avant, Tzadik, etc.) Marc Ribot Dave Douglas David Torn (solo and countless collaborations) Splatter Trio Chris Speed Squarepusher Albert Ayler Eric Dolphy Ornette Coleman Derek Bailey Vijay Iyer Miroslav Tadic Tim Berne Gary Thomas Steve Coleman Massacre (Fred Frith/Bill Laswell/some drummer) Nels Cline Zussan Fasteau God knows how many people on this very list! (Stu Liebig, Ken Rosser, David Torn, Ed Chang, etc. etc.) Hundreds more names out there... Cheers, Paolo