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Hi, all: Thanks for the many great replies to the "computers vs. things" question--I've learned a lot. I was wondering whether anyone on the list has heard/read about the EIS ("Extended Instrument System") originally developed by Pauline Olivieros in the '50's (at the San Francisco Tape Music Center) and now fully integrated with computers (yes, in a "live" performance) by David Gamper? I checked out the Deep Listening Band a few months ago (Olivieros, Gamper, and Stuart Dempster) and was amazed by the fact that the whole show was basically being "conducted" via a series of linked laptops, one per performer. I recall remarking to my friend that the show could come to an unpleasant and abrupt end if someone hadn't partitioned their hard drive correctly! We snickered at the thought that the rather somber music might be interrupted by the Mac OS's obnoxious "error" bleep any moment. I guess if the musicians were really cool about it they would've pretended it was part of the music. "Bleep! Bleep!" The points that have been raised about the risk and inconvenience of using computers in a live setting are well taken. Olivieros has written volumes on the uses of tape and electronic media to facilitate live improvisation. She describes the EIS as "a performer controlled, delay-based network of digital sound processing devices which are used to create an improvising environment for acoustic musicians." Translated, I think this means that some MIDI-capable delay units are linked to a network of computers and the "acoustic" instruments can either be used as such or as controllers. Not a shockingly unique setup, really, but interesting because of the deliberate forgrounding of the human/machine and art/technology relationships that often get taken for granted. I would recommend that interested parties check out http://www.artswire.org/pof/EIShome.html This page gives some technical info on the EIS and provides links to articles about it. What do Loopers think about it? Best, MHL.