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sheesh . . . thought you Loopers were all just into black boxes and sheeet . . . . ;) heartening to see these little gems mentioned . . . FYEnlightenmet, check out Hopkins' excellent "Experimental Musical Instruments" magazine (sadly this is the last year of publication) and his two books on instrumnet building--they are a gold mine of ideas for acoustic instruments . . . ya know . . . pickups, transducers, micing, that kind of thing (sorry) drone on Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net PS and while you're at it check out Michael Peters HOP generator available on his web site--that and BOMB are the two pieces of eye candy in rotation on my laptop > >Michael Peters wrote: > >> 'Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones' >> >> Lovers of crazy and experimental music, be sure to check out this CD >> sampler by Bart Hopkin, released on ellipsis arts ... >