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OK here it is .......but you have to submit a patch to my site (maybe) Morph between 2 versions of 11 Shimmer A mix 32 32 output 64 64 mod fx lvl 64 64 echo fx lvl 64 64 morph AB 45 45 envelope 1 1 echo% 1 1 1 echo% 2 1 1 feedback 1 pedal 64 feedback 2 64 pedal then set all rates depths & resonances to 1 ............now you might want to know how it works, .....................................more fun to just try it though, ......all right then you now have 2 seperate (up to)1second loops to play with , one on the left and one on the right (this sounds better in stereo) , let's call them loopA and loopB you can only alter one loop at a time the A/B switch switches between them the pedal can be used to insert/replace/erase/add material, full down is infinite loop with none of the input added full up is no loop feedback but add input to loop, so you have to pull back on the ped to add new stuff then push down to keep it, or pull back half way to add stuff without totally erasing the old. So you can start out with one loop , loop A and get it just how you like it, then hit the A/B switch and get to work on loop B, while loop A stays the same hitting the A/B again lets you go back to modifying loopA, while loop B stays the same. If you don't have a pedal set the pedalled parameters to about 32,and just play with the A/B it's still quite entertaining. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (newish section on undocumented features) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm