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>The fun in really long loops is, not only is the audience suprized when >something they remember comes around again so long after they first heard >it, the musician is too! I have done a lot of those surprize loops lately. Even after 30 seconds, I do not remember what I played and have to react somehow. I sometimes start simply with a melody and then put a second and a bass line over it. Such the harmonies become more or less defined and more can be elaborated. I find it especially interesting to fade during some part of a long loop and replace it with something new. Often there is an ostinato from a multiplied original short loop which fades in that part and when it comes back again, I feel like overdubbing to make it grow more even and then relax more when the faded part comes back. Thus the dynamic increases and you ride on a long growing wave like Gamelan or so. I must admit though that many friends long for my old works with short loops. They are easyer to follow. I wonder whether loops naturally become longer with evolution and the listener will like them better after listening more (and after we learn to play them better :-) Or whether we are just curious to squeeze out the marvelous long memory but the stuck at some point... * Lots of music (samples), inventions (drawings), philosophy: * ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org * Archive and mailinglist about looping: * ---> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html