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Some of you may enjoy................ preset>> 9 Deja Vu B 2 Atmosphere B mix 64 64 output 64 64 ModFX 32 42 EchoFX 64 64 Morph 59 59 Env 64 1 Echo1 1 1 Echo2 1 3 Feedback1 64 64 Feedback2 1 1 Rate1 11 3 Depth1 32 5 res1 21 1 Rate2 15 2 Depth2 1 14 res2 1 1 Start off on the A part of the patch and build up a loop ( this is a standard loop patch), possibly assign pedal to envelope to control how much of what you play goes into the loop. Let it run till you've had enough... then switch briefly to B and back again. Appreciate your now modified loop. repeat as necessary. ....then you can stay in the B patch for a while (assign pedal to MOD FX LVL, which gives a swell control) build up a wall of sound and then back to A. If you used this as a pedal morph you could keep on A with the pedal while using the A/B button to access the B patch , which could then be secretly modified for later use. There's a lot of possibilities in this one, I think of it as a 'compositional' patch rather than just an effect. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (aging section on undocumented features) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm