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Three quick comments, then I must get some work done to pay the bills... Re. the John Cage record bin categorization thing: The very thought of a Cage recording is humorous, considering his philosophy. Then attempting to put it in a slot...! My favorite system of categorization was practiced by Manny Maris at a small record shop he ran in lower Manhattan called "Lunch For Yor Ears" (misspelling intentional). He put recordings into two categories: vocal and instrumental. Here's a thought: what categories do you put your own records into once you get them home? Re. the Loop Religion thing, which keeps popping up. I find it curious that so many people seem to feel the need to apologize for their observations ("you may think I'm crazy, but...") I wish we could make the ecstatic quality of looping a given. I would also like to find a site where this kind of thing is discussed regularly. Here's a whole new topic: why are there apparently so few women involved with looping, and with music technology in general? I've been catching some "electronica-songwriter" stuff on the college FM radio lately which is largely female vocal with ambient/loop/ 'lectronic textures (kinda mid 90's Sarah McLaghlan, Sheila Chandra, Ani DiFranco) so it exists, but I see no discussion of this. Could all the women reading this please raise their hands?