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My two cents on the drug talk: It was never for me - I was weird enough all by myself...and I was always upset that music I'd hear never quite went far enough in the direction I wanted it to. For instance, when I was 7 or 8: Me: Can you show me where I can find the weird music? Librarian: Huh? Me: Nevermind, I'll find it myself. So consequently I was listening to stuff like Mahavishnu at very early age. It got way worse after that. Drugs would have made me more normal. Ick. I participate in a mountain biking discussion group and there were many varying opinions. Some felt that a true athlete should never do this, and still others felt that they should do it, but keep flammables off the trail for fear of setting the brush on fire, and still others were a bit more open minded. I don't know. It's probably not good to be drooling on oneself when mountain biking lest you go head on into a tree or another rider. At least in music the collisions could produce pretty patterns on tape and not cause injuries. Like the other poster, I've seen friends whose heavy involvement in this resulted in a lot of wasted potential. Others may be able to exercise in moderation. I wouldn't know. Frankly, I'd rather spend my time creating dense, swirling soundscapes. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html