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I have to chime in. Bill, well expressed. I agree. In going through the on-going blasts and comments that strangely have gotten hold of my short-spanned attention, I realize that not only Loopers in this group are at the cutting edge of music technology, they are also very articulate in expressing their points of view and beliefs. (this is my brown-nosing paragraph) And though some have expressed harshly, and some have expressed eloquently, (and some have expressed diplomatically), there are still exchanges of ideas and beliefs which actually show the make up of the group's personalities which I think is good. I can confidently say that I am eccentric to a point of being arrogant. The important thing is that I know that I am. I think that besides my arrogance getting me in trouble sometimes, it actually fuels me and drives me towards creativity without conforming. I had originally joined the group to stay in the "loop" but I'm receiving and learning much more than just 'how to manipulate my looping devices'. For example, John Cage and Adrian Belew discussions are very enlighting, among many. Leo's always intuitive guidance in computer music softwares are invaluable. Even the effects of drugs, during and after, philosophy there of, lack of use of drugs in creativity, and the passionate comments related to drugs and music are very interesting and humorous at times. I think it is important that we express ourselves freely without prohibiting others to do the same. (...but then, in making this comment, I am actually...) It just goes to show you that no matter how I state it or phrase it, I inflict my beliefs and ideas to others in this group. Crap! I'd better turn off my computer and start looping before someone finds out that I'm completely nuts!!! Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Hawkeye255@aol.com [SMTP:Hawkeye255@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? I agree with kungha and javier; the state of openness being discussed, is more our natural state than the Aristotelian never-ending classifier, cellphone weilding, steering wheel gripping, gas pedal pushing, horn honking, bill paying sob who has to earn a living and 'don't forget the milk and bread on the way home'... The connection for me in looping music and sounds, is a a desire to return to my natural self (an insignificant speck of harmonically resonant stardust)...and perhaps take a few listeners with me. Bill