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Hey, Ok, look at us. A bunch of cry babies. Oh, we can't buy loopers, waaaaaaaaaaaaa! Yet we seem to be amongst some amazing hardware/software designers. I couldn't write a program to save my ass (I am, however, famous in the Cornell University Physics dept. for my c code that returns a negative integer: let x = x - 2x. My ex girlfriend, the astro physicist, circulated that Goldbergian code) but I am good with a soldering iron. Could a kit version of a looper device be a marketable product? Like the Heathkit stereos (and computers!) of the '70s? It's very obvious to me that the big boys don't seem to think that our toys are worth making. Maybe not in a mass market, but for a small business... Anyway, I really don't know much about the feasibility of such a project. Could it be profitable? Maybe not. Worth the labor of love? Possibly? The only thing I could offer would be help in marketing such a device via free web design. I'd do it just to have a product exist. I'm working on stuff for the looper's site as we speak (type) check out my site at: http://web.syr.edu/~msottila/flashtest2.html It's not done yet and very commercial (I'm trying to feed myself) but look at the web looping possibilities! It's not too hard and the files are pretty small. The program's interface is a bit obtuse, though. Anyway, for all those with web sites, get those loops up! You can get a free trial version (I think it actually saves) from macromedia.com. Mark Sottilaro