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>Subject: Re: VST? >Sent: 7/6/19 8:11 AM >Received: 7/2/99 10:10 AM >From: Leo Cavallo, cavallo@dada.it >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Hi Doug and all > >I think there're a few misconceptions here... ;) > >At 16.32 01/07/99 -0600, you wrote: >>OK, I'll jump in here. What Gareth has said about _Cuebase VST_ is >true. >> To anwser your question more completly, VST stands for Virtual Studio >>Technology and is a cross platform plug-in arcetecture like _Direct-X_ >on >>windows machines, _Audio Suite_ on Mac and Windows, and _TDM_ on >>Digidesign ProTools compatable hardware running on either Mac or Windows >>NT. >> > >the Virtual Studio Technology is the whole software architecture, not just >the plugin system > Yes, this is true, but for all but the programers out there, the plug-in aspect is the most significant feature of VST, wouldn't you say? >>I've found that the use of multiple VST plug-ins can also cause about a >1 >>sec. delay between the input of a signal and it being echoed out the >>monitor output in MOTU's 2408--which is why I consider this system to be >>unusable for any serious recording, as most users will have to disable >>all plug-in processing when in record mode, or monitor the source >>pre-2408 and try to line up by ear with the tracks that are playing back >>-- thus necessitating 2 pair of nearfields. (I'll go into further >details >>on the evils of MOTU at another time if anyone cares to hear.) > >I dunno if you're working on Mac or PC system, but latency at the moment >is >an inevitable "problem" with every audio card on the market. It's due to >the >internal computer architecture... it's the delay the whole system puts >between its audio input and output... >Consider that the MOTU 2408 (that I own too and I'm very happy with) >probably has the lowest latency value around... down to 3ms on my P2 >350mhz... I call this real time... Consider a lot of MIDI instruments (to >be >played live) have 3-6ms latency... >And, on PC, latency doesn't depend on how many plug ins you open but >exclusively on the card buffer(s) settings. > Maybe things have been upgraded since I checked out the 2408, but it was far from the "lowest latency around." I'm not calling you a liar, I just have a much different recolection of their system, and it was much more severe than 3ms. And that was on the fastest computer out there at the time. I will admit that for any serious DAW stuff, I will not go with anything less than a full-blown Protools system. >BTW, like real studio usually do, it's better to record straight clean and >then process the signal (with plug ins), than recording wet... so latency >should not be a big problem... I'll not even comment on the "real studio" comment, sufice it to say that I've had considerable time on SSLs, etc. In a plugin environment, I never print effects, but it is disconcerting to play while monitoring a dry signal. I always record Guitarists through ampfarm, but print only the dry signal, so I can tweek it later, for instance. If you're NOT working this way, you are missing half of the point of a plug-in DAW. >in fact big latency values are a problem only >for mixing, when your moves on the virtual mixers have a delay on the >music >played. Which should be automated, eh? > Doug