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can we please stop rubbishing other people politicoreligious views and concentrate on slagging music equipment with non-erasible presets and plug in transformers. In other words, I totally agree with other loopers that (generally) useless presets taking up valuable memory sucks donkey (as I believe Americans say). Plus I have a plastic bag under the stairs which is stuffed full of plug-in transformers 'cos I power everything off a centrallised psu. I propose that we name and shame offenders: Black mark to --- Waldorf Pulse, 128 patches, only 40 overwittable and the biggest fuck-off monster plug-in transformer ever. Gold star to --- Korg Electribe, 256 patches all overwrittable! nice small transformer, will easily accomodate plugs either side. The only bit of kit I use the presets on is a Boss SX700 'cos I can't figured out how to program the bastard thing. Great effect but no wonder their selling them off cheap. Jim Carter University of Bristol Cantock's Close Bristol BS8 1TS UK Tel - 0117 9289934 FAX - 0117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk