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>what i want to know is since the rang is at least twice the money is it >twice as good as looper?...> >thanks in advance >jack Depends on what you're calling "good". It may have twice the features, but it also has half the bandwidth, if I'm not mistaken. 'Rang users may want to correct me. Also, as I recall, it's about six times the size. Now maybe if we have a math professor among us, he can come up with an equation.... As far as the Headrush casing, if anyone can determine whether it's metal or plastic I'd be curious to know. It's either the most plastic-looking finish on metal, or the toughest looking plastic I've ever seen. Short of melting it down to find out (don't laugh, I've done such things), I'm pretty convinced it's metal. David Myers