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i spoke with a friend of mine, dave lewis at "pianos and stuff", a very nice store here in the pittsburgh area........they list their rangs for $419.00 and will ship anywhere.......i asked if they would consider a group buy and he said "gladly".......he also said that you could lay the rang away at the group price (if one comes up thats exceptable) i think till december, dave would have those details........if there is any interest around this, let me know........all i get out of it is the joy of knowing that there are more rangs out there and a very small island............:).............daves phone number is 412-828-1003........tell him you are interested in the LD members or whatever we are group buy........ill check back with him in about a week and see what the response was and get the final (rock bottom) price........let me know.......michael