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Well, I had lots of fun just before I left for my vacation: I stayed up until two in the morning using the delay in the VS-840 nearly maxed out and then into the Mac running the Procrastination looper set on, oh, four minutes. I had the first two doing left and right channels and the other two loopers doing the same and I would bring them in and out. I generated all of this nonsense with just my electric guitar and before long I had this giant, swirling, synth like galaxy of sound going. After about an hour or so, I realized that what I was doing was pretty cool and should be recorded, but hadn't thought to prepare the 840 or the computer. Then I forgot: the procrastination looper lets you dump the contents of the loops in stereo to an aiff file. So, during the endloop process (about the last 8 minutes) the ending of the big atmosphere was happening I dumped the data to a file, played a solo over the endloop and then let the atmosphere slough away until only the solo was left, and then even that faded. Bizzarre. It ended up sounding like something from some weird album somewhere. I encoded that data to an MP3 file so I'll probably put that up on my site for download, but it's pretty desolate sounding. Weird how just playing around can generate something significant. Todd Madson Musician, Mountain Biker, Stunt Kite Flyer, BeOS/MacOS/Linux/WinNt user. http://www.waste.org/~crash/index.html