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In a message dated 09/29/1999 5:29:40 PM Central Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << They're all gigging standards mostly but want to do some real stretching. >> I gig standards too, and when I do, I leave my EDP at home with the Loud Rig. But previously (on NYPD Blue, I can't resist following that word with those other ones), in our trio, we played standards and incorporated loops. How? Good question. Certainly not during the form of the tune... because over a 12, 16, or 32 bar form, no one could keep such metronomically correct time (nor would I like them if they could...). But in other parts of tunes, over a vamp, sure. And getting into and out of tunes, especially the more modal things.... I remeber a version of Marc Johnson's 'Samurai Hee Haw' that had a good 10 minutes of ambient loopy space in front of it (in the tonality of c# melodic minor), making the real entry of the tune (in A major pentatonic/lydian) all the more... erotic. And I recently made a loop of Steve Swallow's 'Sweeping Up', a 7-bar tune. Dialed in all the parts (it has simple chords, and just a moving inside line, no real melody), and then soloed over it. k