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Sorry if someone's beaten me to the green punch on this or if this seems to be off/at-the-extremes-of-the-topic, but so far I haven't seen a discussion in this thread about the environmental impact of electronic music production. This is a particular concern of mine, coming out of an electronic arts Master's program where visiting artists would arrive with multiple "refrigerators" on wheels and, you may be sure, more than one power strip to fire up the watt-hungry gear so chilled. My thesis attempted to address this footprint left by electronic art by presenting a video installation (as it took place in the out-of-doors, I dubbed it an "outstallation") off the grid; most of my time not actually creating video and its soundtrack was spent researching reliable electronic generation means that have the least environmental impact. Solar cells have achieved some advances but, sadly, affordability is not among them. My best solution was a air/noise-polluting gas generator, not really appropriate for those Morton Feldman loops and the club you might want to heft it into might not ask you back...or to stay. Thoughts? The targato and the shenai are lovely alternatives to wall-warts and, with practice, you can even, for example, shift their pitch and/or get chords out of them (one multi-phonic nutjob saxophonist of my acquaintance once prefaced his discussion of this technique by observing, "Now...it ain't like a piano..."). But, our gear fetish of choice, its means of sounding, this list from that website -- these all accept the means of electrical production and consumption as a sine qua non (thus, this thread). I'm not looking to foment any Luddite bashing of prevailing technological imperatives (on on-line listserves like this, such bashing is, at least, markedly compromised) but I do wonder what an environmental impact study of just the popular music tradition alone, as it is manifested at the turn of the millenium, might reveal. "MP3 kills"? ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < -----------------------------------------------------------------