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Hello again, Sorry this reply is so late, but the free-mail account on which I receive the digest seems to arbitrarily truncate long messages, and a couple of responses to my last contribution fell victim (I'm going to switch back to the works account, I think). In response to Dennis W. Leas: IIRC, it was an 029 model keypunch, but that was over 15 years ago, so I can't be sure. Also, thanks to Tim Nelson for mentioning the Ligeti and Nancarrow. I wasn't actually thinking of them, being more concerned just with members of this list, but yeah I guess their things would apply in some fashion. James Tenney also did a piece for player piano (and dedicated to Nancarrow) which sounds very loopy and dense. I just this moment realized, that a musical box could probably be considered the first true looping device. My dubious memory tells me that someone recorded a piece with several of them running simultaneously, but not who it was. Any takers on this one? Jim Bailey p.s.: The correct spelling is Pachelbel for those who are interested. I just keep the subject misspelling for reference. ---------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com