Re: unsubscribe / grumpy loopers

[Jim Poppen <zebu@mindspring.com>]

Come on Larry, I said the "average "solo effort'". To use your
expression, Geesh. Bach, Beethoven, Philip Glass (BTW, there's only one
'L' in Philip, Larry :-)), etc., did not develop their genius in a
bubble. I am making the observation that much of the music I've heard
from this new wave of solo performers is mediocre. Yes, including my
music (grumble). Beware the creative vacuum!

I think this is a sensitive subject for any "artist." Who wants to admit
their "art" is masturbatory? (Perhaps "masturbatory" is an unfortunate
expression for this thread. It does good job expressing the idea,
though.)

You are right on about the internet being a new and great tool for
sharing the music and ideas of these "lone creatives." That's why I'm on
this list. And why I think the critical scrutiny of others is crucial to
the process of loop making or whatever.

Jim


L Tremblay wrote:
> 
> By that that logic, Bach, Ludwig Van, Phillip Glass and a
> million other composers past and present are simply jerking
> off into the oblivion of mediocrity.
> 
> Please... Do some actual thinking next time before you spout off
> unfounded generalizations like that.
> 
> - Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Poppen <zebu@mindspring.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: unsubscribe / grumpy loopers
> 
> >I do think there is something to this notion that some loopers get to
> >exercise control freak tendencies without having to deal with "my lame
> >drummer who can't keep a straight beat", or any of the other fallible
> >human types. Looping pleasure can be like the pleasure one gets from
> >hearing one's own voice. Which leads to another notion and reminds me of
> >my favorite quote, from the Sherlock Holmes story "The Valley of Fear":
> >"Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly
> >recognizes genius." I think musical collaboration is a remedy to
> >individual mediocrity. Now, collaboration can still produce mediocre
> >music, but I'll go out on a limb and say not as mediocre as the average
> >"solo effort."
> >
> >This is coming from a guy who has done more masturbatory wanking on his
> >guitar and bass and drum machine than a hermit teen male with "special"
> >magazines would do on his "instrument."
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >p.s. If you must dis Fripp's stage demeanor, please do so elsewhere.
> >:-)!
> >
> >James Pokorny wrote:
> >>
> >> Hear, hear, Dave!
> >>
> >> I recently attended a show by a well-known looping artist.  I was very
> >> interested in hearing what this performer could do, having heard the
> >> person's name and reputation but never having heard the music.  This
> >> performer's stage demeanor was so hideous, obnoxious and blatantly
> >> condescending to the audience (who were extremely polite and 
>attentive)
> as
> >> to be inexcusable.  My immediate thought was:  "No wonder this person
> uses
> >> all these looping devices . . . they'd never be able to get along with
> any
> >> other musicians!"  I spoke afterwards with other audience members who
> echoed
> >> [:-)] similar sentiments.  I guess the pathologically grumpy should be
> >> grateful for looping technology.
> >>
> >> James Pokorny
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: postaldave <postaldave@qx.net>
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> >> Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:22 PM
> >> Subject: Re: unsubscribe
> >>
> >> >is this list group always so grumpy. ever wondered of the reason why
> people
> >> >loop? could it be that they can't get along with other players so 
>they
> are
> >> >forced to play by themselfs?
> >> >
> >> >who knows.................doing an all night jam........by
> >> >myself...................your not invited.lol
> >> >
> >> >postaldave@qx.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >