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>Come on Larry, I said the "average "solo effort'". To use your >expression, Geesh. Bach, Beethoven, Philip Glass (BTW, there's only one >'L' in Philip, Larry :-)), etc., did not develop their genius in a >bubble. I am making the observation that much of the music I've heard >from this new wave of solo performers is mediocre. Yes, including my >music (grumble). Beware the creative vacuum! > I guess have a hard time imagining an "average solo effort". You must admit that the generalization is oblique, subjective and ultimately unquantifiable. Maybe I'll lighten up and improve my typing skills anyway :) You *do* get the point though... >I think this is a sensitive subject for any "artist." Who wants to admit >their "art" is masturbatory? (Perhaps "masturbatory" is an unfortunate >expression for this thread. It does good job expressing the idea, >though.) > Gratuitous might be a more appropriate description. For instance, the mindless virtuoso who's performances strive to break land speed record, whether or not it complements or adds anything to the idiom s/he is working in. That would be gratuitous. >You are right on about the internet being a new and great tool for >sharing the music and ideas of these "lone creatives." That's why I'm on >this list. And why I think the critical scrutiny of others is crucial to >the process of loop making or whatever. > At least we can agree on that. - Larry > >L Tremblay wrote: >> >> By that that logic, Bach, Ludwig Van, Phillip Glass and a >> million other composers past and present are simply jerking >> off into the oblivion of mediocrity. >> >> Please... Do some actual thinking next time before you spout off >> unfounded generalizations like that. >> >> - Larry >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Poppen <zebu@mindspring.com> >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> >> Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 2:52 PM >> Subject: Re: unsubscribe / grumpy loopers >> >> >I do think there is something to this notion that some loopers get to >> >exercise control freak tendencies without having to deal with "my lame >> >drummer who can't keep a straight beat", or any of the other fallible >> >human types. Looping pleasure can be like the pleasure one gets from >> >hearing one's own voice. Which leads to another notion and reminds me >of >> >my favorite quote, from the Sherlock Holmes story "The Valley of Fear": >> >"Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly >> >recognizes genius." I think musical collaboration is a remedy to >> >individual mediocrity. Now, collaboration can still produce mediocre >> >music, but I'll go out on a limb and say not as mediocre as the average >> >"solo effort." >> > >> >This is coming from a guy who has done more masturbatory wanking on his >> >guitar and bass and drum machine than a hermit teen male with "special" >> >magazines would do on his "instrument." >> > >> >Jim >> > >> >p.s. If you must dis Fripp's stage demeanor, please do so elsewhere. >> >:-)! >> > >> >James Pokorny wrote: >> >> >> >> Hear, hear, Dave! >> >> >> >> I recently attended a show by a well-known looping artist. I was >very >> >> interested in hearing what this performer could do, having heard the >> >> person's name and reputation but never having heard the music. This >> >> performer's stage demeanor was so hideous, obnoxious and blatantly >> >> condescending to the audience (who were extremely polite and attentive) >> as >> >> to be inexcusable. My immediate thought was: "No wonder this person >> uses >> >> all these looping devices . . . they'd never be able to get along >with >> any >> >> other musicians!" I spoke afterwards with other audience members who >> echoed >> >> [:-)] similar sentiments. I guess the pathologically grumpy should >be >> >> grateful for looping technology. >> >> >> >> James Pokorny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: postaldave <postaldave@qx.net> >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> >> >> Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:22 PM >> >> Subject: Re: unsubscribe >> >> >> >> >is this list group always so grumpy. ever wondered of the reason why >> people >> >> >loop? could it be that they can't get along with other players so they >> are >> >> >forced to play by themselfs? >> >> > >> >> >who knows.................doing an all night jam........by >> >> >myself...................your not invited.lol >> >> > >> >> >postaldave@qx.net >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >