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Unfortunately, Korg has discontinued the AM8000R and DL8000R... They can still be found at various retail outlets though... good luck. I've got an AM8000R on layaway... they blew them out for $300 at Synthony... maybe there's still another one there. You can find a few DL8000R's at Musician's Friend for, I believe around $340 or $350... Get 'em while you can! Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com> 11/05 3:26 AM >>> Although I've never heard one, I understand that the recently discontinued Korg AM-8000 is capable of the sort of loop mangling wackyness that many people prize in the Vortex. The Korg is probably even easier to find...