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Yes, I use a DSP 4000 in my arsenal of gear. A very, very cool machine. I might pick up an Orville next. Definitely, use the PC based editor. Steven J. Schreier Lucent Technologies Software Implementation Team San Diego, Ca. Voice: 858.874.1753 Fax: 858.874.1701 E-mail: schreier@lucent.com <mailto:schreier@lucent.com> -----Original Message----- From: JohnFlem@aol.com [mailto:JohnFlem@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Eventide DSP 4500 I am looking into using the DSP 4500 for live and studio performance. The descriptions in the manual are very impressive, but I haven't actually tried to get it to work yet! Does anyone have any experience with this VERY EXPENSIVE (and complicated) device? (or the "Orville)? John Mark Painter johnflem@aol.com