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I totally agree with Alan. This is the point I was trying to make. The technology must always be a servant to music and creativity, not the other way around. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Imberg [mailto:alan_i@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday 24 November 1999 3:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effect as crutch ... Though it is a cliche, I find validity in the analogy that sonic effects are the equivalent to musicians what extra colors are to a painter. Today, we have colors galore. Placed in certain peoples hands, they can become nothing more than a smeared mess. Placed in the hands of someone with imagination, patience, and vision, you can get a masterpiece. Bottom line: Its the imagination behind the tools that determines the quality.