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At 08:39 AM 12/1/99 -0800, mark givens wrote: > even if not what is the use of an echo that >is longer than say 30 seconds. One of my favorite loop toys while it lasted was an old absolutely trashed EP-3 with the record head fried; I'd turn it on at the beginning of a show and let it roll, and after about 20 minutes it degenerated into brilliant white noise with a semblance of character. This was with the stock 3 minute tape cartridge, ad I absolutely loved the thing. The big use for massive delay length is for "non-standard" music, although I'm there are a few people who would argue otherwise. :) >Im just trying to get my head around that kind >of echo. Get yourself an old answering machine loop tape; they're usually about 15-30 sec depending on manufacturer. Record on it. Hit play. Start wanking with your instrument(s) of choice. Don't try to get your head around it at first; just let your fingers do it. >I notice mst people on this list play guitar through phrase >samplers . I run EVERYTHING through my rack, be it vocals, guitar, gods know what, cable taps, childrens toys et al. >I use a keyboard in hip hop style so guess theres some kinf\d >of u2 like use for this. Far more than U2-like use; one of my favorite toys is my RDS 3.6 set at 3600 ms with the sweep filters on. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music