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In a message dated 12/1/99 8:47:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << Whats the deal with loops that decay ? > It seems that according to the manual, the dl4 will decay the last >recorded phrase ever so slowly each time the overdub function is activated. thats not looping...thats just a long delay that eventually fades. I dont wanna believe my own eyes. also, have not had a chance to hear a dl4 yet. And what is the > actually time u get for looping both with or without overdubs ? The max looping time is 14 seconds, with or without dubs - the max delay time on the rest of the delay models is 2.5 seconds. The thing defintely 'loops' by anyone's definition of the word, i.e., anytime you want you can close the loop and wail over it without adding onto it, layer another part, then close it again. It actually takes quite a while for the repeats to fade out on their own (and that's only when the overdubbing function is 'open') >i like the sound of all the things u can do with an expression pedal for this unit but another question i have is does the expression pedal have to be a line 6 unit or can ya use any old expression pedal u may have around your home ? >> I have a Boss EV-5 that works just fine with it The modulation pedal is not out yet - West L.A. Music (where I got mine for $229) said they are expected in Dec. 12. The distortion modeler will be out "sometime in February". Ken R