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Quick version: The price for anyone who calls and wants to buy a DL4 from 8th st from this second on is $219.00 for the pedal and $17.95 for the adapter. Long version: I spent over and hour talking to the salesmen and buyer for 8th st today about the DL4, Line6 and the now infamous $185 deal. Here are some facts: 1. Line 6 shipped the units with two different prices. They *just* got them in and marked them at the wrong price. 2. The $185 sale was a special deal with a couple issues including a wrong price to start with. Congrats but you got lucky on that one. anyoe lese is free to ask for it somewhere else but I think 8th st is getting tired of being reminded about their mistake by now. 3. While I was there three people called quoting the $185 price and one person came in looking for the DL4. Can you say "hype" kids? 4. They only had 4 pedals to start with and sold them all. New stock is expected in next week sometime at a price of $219 (discount "normal" price is $229) plus the adapter. Looks like the Alto music deal is the only group buy happening at this time so I suggest people follow up with that. As for my hippie love in with 8th st VS Guitar center for the last time my point was to reward a good salesguy who did a good job vs give anonymously to an organization that has more complaints against it on a daily basis than sales from a Ma and Pa store. As for the comment of why don't they offer the good deal to everyone as opposed to big buyers, I suggest you reread my post. Enough of this though. I'm bowing out of the group buy and this thread having seen this attempt to it's conclusion. if anyone has any questions or needs to say something to me about it feel free to send me private email and i'll fill in as much as I can. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more.