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I don't know if y'all know about Eloy Anzola's xVst00.04 xVst is a small app that will loop an Audio File trough a VST plug-in, and save the result as an AIFF file. xVst is freeware. It needs a Mac PowerPC to run. It was made using the MAX/MSP tools. SuperSonicGroovyMilkShakes http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet/ Download form : http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet/max/xvst.sit I don't remember how I got hold of it. Anyway, it works & is great fun. I've run : Steinberg's neato freeware Karlette, a 4-head tape delay effect, max delay time for me is 2 seconds. I don't know why it has this limit or whether this is not a limit & I just don't know how to work it. ftp.steinberg.net/dist/product_support/mac/vst_plugins/Karlette.sea.hqx ------ Also : KwikKomp a freeware compressor http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/synchromesh/bin/KwikKompMac.sit.hqx ------ I also got the GrooveDelay XT 1.3.4 demo, but it doesn't seem to work. http://www.neurosonic-systems.de/GDelay-XT-Demo.hqx - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com