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Ohh sorry, I meant the other way around: Whatever sample, loop I make, it should generate a MIDI clock OUT based on the looping points, instantly. And then you should be able to subdivide, or multiply by that PBM. Thats my problem with Jam Man and Echoplex. They're only able to DIVIDE it down, once you've set the loop points or echo/delay points. Once it sends out a clock, one should be able to MULTIPLY the echo/delay or loop point on Jam Man/Exhoplex without changing the MIDI clock out to, let's say a drum machine. Then the drum machine would play a 8 bar, but you put in a 16 or 32 bar loop that will stay in place regardless, and not drift out of time after 64 bars...or more interesting, a triplet of that, to create polyrhythmical lines... /mats -----Original Message----- From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie [mailto:johnmcc@aldiscon.ie] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJ'ed > I have waited (too!) long for a looping device that sends MIDI clocks to whatever sample you've made > at your turntable/CD/sampler. I do think it exists, however, really expensive and hard to get. I've a BOSS SP-202 and it'll take MIDI in. If you're using anything that'll send a MIDI trigger at the start of each loop, it can trigger a sample on the 202. Just set that sample patch to "Trigger" and "One-Shot". The 202 is a very nice, affordable sampler but not ideal as a guitar looper .. you have to start and stop the recording process using the buttons (not via MIDI or with foot switches), and guitarists usually don't have a free hand .... used it with a keyboard tho' and that was fun, especially the ring modulator, if you fancy sounding like Jan Hammer for a minute. But it is stereo, good sound quality, and has reverse and time stretch. Perfect for DJing, or taking loops off the PA for total maymen :-) I saw a big brother of the 202 that had 16 sample patches, and a built-in 4 track mixing desk .. anyone seen this? It's not on the rolandus.com site. - John