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In this vein - try this URL, and see how the world we live in, the universe we are so entranced with, is being proven to be simply an abstract association that forms out of any type of chaos. http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 peace. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Misha <artmusic@gte.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Discuss Amongst Yourselves.... >Misha here, Dave's (usually) non-looping singer/flutist. Some time ago I >read a book called 'Twilight of the Clockwork God- Conversations on >Science >and Spirituality at the End of an Age'. Among those interviewed were >physicist Brian Swimme, Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna, and William Irwin >Thompson. A pretty good read all-in-all. Below is a snip of the interview >with Deepak Chopra (who, methinks is quite the snake-oil salesman, but in >any case...) he said some interesting things....below he is referring to the >universe: > >'There's so much activity in what we see as nothingness. Actually, what we >see as a material world is less than one billionth of a billionth of a >billionth of it and we think that's where the activity is. Most of the >activity is in the unmanifest, and the unmanifest is not just information >and energy, it has self-referral feedback loops. it feeds back upon its >own >self and as it does, creates loops. And that's what intelligence is. the >only difference between intelligence and ordinary information is that >intelligence is information which has the ability to evolve, to learn from >its own experience, to actually create more abstract, more flexible and >therefore more creative expressions of its own self. so we begin with >chaos >and then out of that chaotic soup of intelligence there emerges order and >then chaos again and then order again. this is the way consciousness >behaves.' > >Taking this in a musical direction one may surmise that not only are loops >archetypal, but genetic: built into the very fabric of life. Trance-inducing >repetitious music like African drumming, chanting, ecstatic dancing- all >loops (without a machine)- all made to connect the human with the cosmos, to >transcend normal consciousness....perhaps the modern mechanics and >technology used for looping is an expression of that need and perhaps also a >manifestation of the consciousness of the universe itself. Like, wow, far >out man. > >Misha > >********************************** >'Future Perfect' - art music > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic > >'Hazard Factor' - spontaneous grooves > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/hazard > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > > > >