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Mystics and religionists have been making fools of themselves and killing each other off for centuries in the name of their gods. They sure don't need any help from us godless humanists. ** agreed . . . but, for that matter, people have killed each other in the name of non-religion and rational enlightenment as well. (possible cf. with the reign of terror post french revolution). very rational and non-religious people killed millions in stalin's and hitler's day (though some would say that hitler saw himself as a mystic - - and as the focus of a new religion). Live and let live, I say, but don't let an untruth slip by. Integrity requires it. ** truth . . . what IS truth? i see a person's truth based on his/her belief system. sorry, i don't believe in absolutes; either from the scientific community (it seems like there's a new theory in physics comign about all the time or an origanized religion (the catholic church had a "lock" on truth for a very long time, ya know). actaully, i think that it's more interesting when they seem to agree - - to point to some commonality. stig