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[Michael:] > i like that word "specious" Definitely worth adding to "spurious" and "archival" in the lexicon of "words to use in e-mails" ! [Larry:] > Feeling are no substitute for the validity of the senses. True - especially about not jumping off buildings ;-) But what if the validity of our senses is itself subjective? What the NS article implies is that what we have considered to be absolute truths about the universe are in fact patterns .. e.g. Newtonian physics is actually is actually just one aspect of a statistical phenomenon. It's an interesting idea, as it implies that the true nature of the world for us, is not its "fundamental" nature. Not that this changes gravity ot the price of butter or anything .... [Mike:] > It's interesting and shocking to see just how easily range wars > develop! Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a "rage war", maybe a "miffed police action" .... [Aaron:] > If you have to explain your "art" (musical,visual,etc) > maybe it isn't fulfilling its intended aim Nice elegant bit of thinking there! And we're off to Hofstadter's inner/outer message .... John