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I think it is possible to create loops with a groove even if one's playing isn't the most rhythmically together. Unfortunately I think it becomes more luck than otherwise. I have twisted loops around, creating new rhythms that would close to impossible to describe or recreate. And on the other side, I've played with musicians from all sorts of ability and genres that have created grooves that fall completely out of their regular experience. Still, sitting inside of a solid groove created by skilled musicians listening and responding to one another goes far beyond almost anything else I've experienced. I personally find that there is a rhythmic push and pull that happens, between even two musicians, that distinguishes a nice rhythm from a GROOVE. Or something like that. Later! Joe