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WEll I use pitch shifters to do a smilar thing, though it isn't perfect. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com > i've been trying to get one of the boutique pedal manufacturers to make a > low octave (or one and two octave) pedal that will also do the fuzz >thang. EH microsynth does this.