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>These two URL's combined lead you to a variety of other resources >which might uncover places you're not familiar with yet. While not >necessarily loop oriented, they lean towards real-time improv and >beyond. Neither of these address the South Bay or Santa Cruz area... Excellent! >It's interesting that when I run across a list of "creative" music >venues... SF usually leads the pack in quantity... until you realize >that 60% of the listed places have either quit hosting players or gone >belly up. Sad but true. It's probably the same everywhere though. Isn't it? bIz