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Here is my most simple, practical approach : Lower the output volume of the EDP and create a loop while unable to hear it. Go with the randomness. More comments : Have you ever seen the book, "The Advancing Guitarist"? The whole book is filled with approaches to growing, overcoming barriers. Much of it is instrument independent. Loopily, K rich@nuvision.com on 04/24/2000 03:28:41 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: creativity Classification: Restricted >1. graphs > -when I feel limited in a particular piece I'll often work from a >graph. >for instance, my ambient project used to play a chart of stock market >returns over the past 50 years. very fun! we would "notate" the graph >with >colors for moods (blue=sad, red=intense, green=layered, etc) and indicate >how long (length of time) each section would roughly take. some great >results with this one. I had a couple of interesting performances a few years ago based on this idea. The performance was called Kaballah Clocks and it was a half hour piece, based tonally on the 10 'stations' of the mystical Kaballah. Each station has a 'color' associated with it. Color resonates at a certain light frequency, and we associated those (angstrom?) frequencies with Hz frequencies of sound, so each 'station' had a tonal drone that we improvised within. Each member of the ensemble had a clock in front of them and we played in each 'station' for 3 minutes, and then mutated to the next, and to the next, culminating at the top station of the Kaballah, associated with Brilliant White light. Definitely a noisy piece, but what a crescendo! We were purely improvising, and made no grandiose pretensions about how good the piece was going to be. Afterwards, though, we had people coming up and saying how amazing it was, and that they had drifted off into some state of meditation during the piece, even though we had not introduced it in any way...it just was the end of our set. Super fun and musically/experimentally/spiritually rewarding rich