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In a message dated 5/9/00 9:43:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << Phooey! The only folks that'll tell you that can't play a musical instrument. >> Imaybe ur right. but musical virtuosity and actually playing instruments and having a commitment to an instrument really doesnt matter much anymore to audiences just like music does not matter that much these days. i kinda liken the mdern state of things to sticks of chewing gum..basically they are all the same thing a wrapper and sugar coating or nutrasweet but people keep chewing the gum until the flavor goes out which is pretty fast these days. & then folks get another stick and another and another and another & so on, etc. I think the musicians and non musicians who are easilly defined and follow expected definitions of who and what they should be and say are the ones who will be successful and eassilly embraced by a public that for years now ( there is a whole generation out now that has been raised in a vacuum of sorts with no references other than nonmusian references to draw upon and compare notes ) does not want complicated or disconcerting entertainment. But i also think that musicians who immediately come up with a solid definition &/or musicians-nonmusicians who recreate existing definitions/cliches and or decontruct the mythos and establishment of such definitions and constantly reinvent and churn out new and redefined perspectives are on to something whter its on the turntable or being played and created live n the flesh. sometimes the turntable dudes and dudettes "get it" and other times they do not. but i cant dis-include dj culture or non-musicians from having any validity or deny that they can have a certain strength of perspective to bear on me and other listners & especially so if u were to consider and think in the context of how music is listened to and actually heard these days. I think traditional musians "musicians" need to adapt a little bit of the non-musicians way of thinking and executing their work. that is nothing new and more and more there are more and more traditional musicians who are taking the non musicians ques and integrating a different but refreshing music. But I think looping's future is in the hands of folks who spin vinyl and cd's at nite clubs...its disposable, mesmerizing and potentially a real high point or a bummer depending on who is making the noise/music but it fits nicely with what people wanna get from a musical experience...enuff to entertain and amuse audiences. Not saying that if u play an instrument u are irrelevant but i do say it becomes harder to remain relevant in any performance's context.