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Dear all, Well, got my Echoplex and footswitch from Alto Music a few weeks ago and everything worked great straight out of their boxes. I now understand the complaints about the manual and definitely see some room for improvement therein. Several taped multi-coloured plastic tabs helped out with this one. Will get into a few ideas for updates later on... Anywho, gave it a shot with a David King headless fretless 6 string bass, fretted Steinberger 5-string bass, a doubleneck Carvin, Polycarb Stick, and finally a Roland JV-90 just to see what I could get out of this beastie. First thing is that I have 50.3 seconds of memory when this beastie ships, and man I now understand just how little this can be, quick! Especially with the multiply feature, trying to get activated... Succeeded a few times with rather positive results for tiny loops. Had a blast with it just playing back what I had done, and then doing a little overdubbing, and finally sussed out how to get this thing to record separate loops and then play them sequentially, repeating loop a then b... Couldn't quite suss out the fade out feature, and could only "accidentally" get the reverse feature to happen for me. Another thing which popped up from time to time was that the beastie was overheating on me and shutting itself down, with all of the lights, but that over the Record and the two decimal places on the LCD screen going off. Cranked up the Air Conditioning and this problem disappeared rather quickly, gave it a dedicated fan and it didn't occur for the few hours I toyed with it... Now then, the good news, I know that some of the problems are user error and learning curve. Sound quality is really happening, and was very happy with how the Echoplex handles the basses and my Stick being run in mono. Really felt the love there! Also liked that you can record lots of different, un-overdubbed loops on this thing. Did I mention that the sound quality is really happening? Some things which I'd really like to see in a "new" echoplex is a 2nd rack space, this way many of the controls can be taken off of the hold and release buttons and switched over to pots, or dial switches and a set of fans can be put into this beastie for better respiration... Man, getting this beastie to go into reverse mode is a bit of a chore, and then I have a quick question, can you change the speed of the play back, as you could with a tape echoplex, if so, what menu do you begin with and then where do you go? Now, off-list, I've been asked a few times to do a comparison between both the Echoplex and the Boomerang. This is again, just a statement of opinion and only that! I'd find myself working with the Boomerang more in a live context than I would with the Echoplex. Mostly because, I find that single buttons are a bit easier to work around in a live setting than menus. I also like the idea of running the Boomerang with both inputs, and now that I've started in with a Chapman Stick, this is VERY necessary to do things with two channel input. Also, I really enjoy the fact that I've got 2 minutes of time and as many overdubs as I want. Flip side, there is just so much more which can be done with an Echoplex, and it is a matter of sussing out the menus and tap and holds of the control surfaces. The sound quality is much better in my Echoplex than my Boomerang, also find that the Echoplex sounds better with the lower end instruments than the Boomerang, also found that a bouzouki in and Echoplex is VERY crisp sounding, whereas it was a little muddy in the Boomerang. The echoplex is not as noisy, and due to the heat problems mine tends to suffer, a studio environment seems more conducive. Sorry no snails man pitch on this one, I like them both and will probably continue to like them both, even as I become more familiar with the Echoplex. Oh, by the by, for the attackless drones, a sneaky way I've found of doing it, is to activate the note you want to drone, run it through a volume pedal and then some form of digital delay on a slow setting and then just after you get the sound you're looking for, timbre or rumbles then start recording with either unit, and found that they both (Boomerang and Echoplex) handle this quite nicely. Typically, I like to swell it a little more about halfway through the loop to be. Now, I have to snag a copy of the updated BIOS for the Boomerang. Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, LeeohkinoWired.