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Hi Dennis, nice to meet you in this "place"...thanx for your precious info on the Kyma system...I cheched their site out and it looks very good...how does it sounds??? Regarding my thing on Orville: this is a 2 rack units box, so when you come to performing...you don't want to bring computers around...risking those bastard system crashes that often happens, especially with pc and Windows crap, you know what I mean, man?!?! Orville is an open system in this sense: it has more than 200 intrnal modules, into a well organized library; they are audio, control, modulation and math modules; you can choose and arrange them anyway you like, creating incredible sounds, from synths to anything you can imagine, totally customize the user interface so to get menus of parameters organazide in personal logical pages on the large display, program it on the unit or, better, on a pc, in text or graphics environment, patching boxes and virtual cables, pretty much like Kyma. Last...Eventide is a leader in digital audio since 1973...they invented pitch shifting, reverse shifting and many other wonders. You should listen to this box to get how good those 24 bit converters sound. I flew to Denmark to record a cd at Rhytmhic Music Conservatory in Copenhagen; the project was about digital processing of acoustic instruments: everybody was just speechless...it sounds AWESOME, trust me. later ITALOOP ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com