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I understand the emphasis on hardware here, and I use a lot of loops in my solo playing and with my electronic band Mutually Assured Destruction. But with my rock band the Dangerous Shoe, I approach looping in a way I don't remember anyone else discussing here. I play bass guitar with the Shoe, and I play loops rather than using machines. This provides subtle variations as it's almost impossible to play a loop exactly the same all the time (at least it is for me (-8). Syncing up to the rest of the band is easier than trying to get a machine's loop time to match, and it's easier to adjust when the jam mutates. Of course, it does help that we have another bass player to handle the "real" (read: more conventional) bass parts, leaving me free to loop and drone. Does anybody else here play loops rather than machine them? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu