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>I think the real trick is to stop trying to force recording studio >interfaces into real-time, performance oriented looping. It's a dead end. >you need to think of the problem in new ways. >kim >Why do think this is a dead end Kim? I think finding a familiar paradigm >could >help. loopers are essentially recording boxes so why not take what is >familiar >and use it where appropriate. Look at ACID. >Damon "Why do think this is a dead end Kim? " I just hate it when I speak in broken English :P I just wanted to add that I'm not advocating presets with layered menus etc. I'm also all for breaking the rules and progressing performance interfaces. But... if a red button with a round dot on it says "record" to most of the musical population why not use it? Damon