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Well, after the whole Kyma vs. Orville fight a few weeks ago, I thought I would ask about something that I've been thinking about. Lately, I've been heavily researching Max/MSP. But, I'm wondering how much better a Kyma system would be. I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live performance. The ability to send MIDI in (using some alternate MIDI controllers) and get audio out. I'm thinking mostly sampling, but maybe some synthesis and possibly some sound morphing (thanks for letting me know about that one!) and definitely some effects, looping, and mixing. The other would be sound design. Actually being able to create new and interesting sounds as well as modify and/or mangle already sampled sounds. At the moment, I'm heavily biased towards Max/MSP because of the need for minimal external hardware, but you give up alot of latency for it, but I think I might be able to get to where I can stand it. With the Kyma system, you need that large looking black box with the DSP's and memory as well as a computer. Then there is the cost, but that might be made up by getting a lower cost computer vs. buying a top of the line Powerbook. Any comments? Neither system is exactly what I would want, but I think that what I really want will be possible in about a year. But, that is a long ways away. I'm trying to decide if it would be worth getting something similar now or if I should just wait. Thanks to all. Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com